Thanks for posting Valer.
I wonder if they’ll extend this to wet belt issues?
Looks like a company finally taking responsibility for at least one of their failings.

 

I have a Citroen C4 Spacetourer that has a 1.5 diesel HDI blue engine (I used to have a vauxhall Zafira which is why I am here). Anyway my engine has the 7mm canshaft chain that this recall refers to. I have not been informed of any recall nor has it come up on the "MY Citroen" app on my phone, in fact the first I have heard of it was on here and that publication that was linked to. I have asked on the Citroen forum that I am on and that post has not been answered yet. I will pop down to the dealer on Monday and ask although my local dealer hasn't been particularly helpful so far. These problems with Stellantis vehicles, and others, will be affecting hundreds of thousands of vehicles. and I cannot see dealers getting to grips with this any time soon even if a recall has been issued. I don't think fitting the chain upgrade kit is a particularly difficult job for a competant mechanic but the sheer volume of vehicles affected could well be. As for the wet belt problem that is a whole different ball game. I think Ford are recalling some of their vehicles over the wet belt debacle.

 

This is where i picked up the info,and it seems that the Vx dealer new nowt about it until they checked lol

https://www.grandlandforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1875&sid=70e4af700067ac1a41cbe07639432651

 

Yeah it does appear to be a thing but not very well publicised especially to dealers it would seem. I can almost guarantee that my local Citroen dealer will not have heard of it, whether he will actually check I will wait and see.

 

A tad more on this.

 

I guess with this one it’s going to be massive due to the amount of vehicles affected.

 

The dealer i bought my combo life from did not know,i thought that weird as i got told from a friend about it,wonder what a chain upgrade kit is ?

 

The chain upgrade kit is a whole kit of parts to upgrade the timing chain from a 7mm width chain to an 8mm width chain. All the sprockets, gear wheels, whatever you want to call them, have to be changed to fit the new width chain. I think there are three sprockets in the kit and a new chain tensioner etc. I haven't got one nor seen one but that is what I would think is in the kit. Certainly the object of the exercise is to upgrade the camshaft chain from a 7mm one to an 8mm one. BUT it would seem that initially Stellantis has said that dealers are only going to do an oil change with a thicker oil and a software update, presumably to lower the power of the engine and the torque. They, apparently, will also issue a "tool" which will "listen" to the engine and determine if the chain is noisy. So there you have it. That's all I know and some of it will be wrong no doubt. I am going to have a word with my local Citroen dealer, because I have a Citroen that has the same engine, but I haven't got round to that yet. I bet though that he wont have heard of any recalls. I have also posted on the French forums about this but only had one reply which directed me to an old post that only mentions the problems with the original chain and nothing about a recall. I also believe that there is fix for the 1.2 petrol engines used in Stellantis vehicles as well. This replaces the wet belt, which is causing havoc in all wet belt engines, with a chain replacement, but this chain upgrade we are talking about in this thread applies to the 1.5 blueHDi diesel engine.

 

Put your reg number into the government website to see if its affected by a recall.

Check if a vehicle, part or accessory has been recalled

Check if a vehicle model, part or accessory has been recalled because of a fault in how it was made

www.gov.uk

 

I did and it says there are no recalls for this vehicle BUT I think that information is for historic recalls. There are two written items, one that Valer linked to and one that I linked to so there must be something in the wind. I also know that there is a chain upgrade kit because on the Citroen forum one of the posters has linked to a way to find out if the mod has been done. There are different part number on the rocker box cover and the chain chain cover has a different shape to accomodate the different size of the chain and the rest of the gubbins. It's late now but I will look that information up and post some pics. This is not part of the recall this is what has been done when a vehicle has gone in a normal service and the mech has found the chain to be noisy.

 

Why can’t they just make decent vehicles in the first place - I mean I know this has always been somewhat of a challenge for the PSA group but Cummon it’s getting ridiculous now.

 

the last time PSA made decent engines was in the XU and TU days, when they started going to the HDI engines after the XUD was when it all started to go down hill.

 

Thank you.

 

Tbf the 2.0 HDI was a pretty strong engine. The old 406 used to go on forever, from memory there was a 90bhp and a 110bhp. The 110 was the better of the two.
The later 1.6 weren’t really bad apart from the crappy turbo.

 

those 1.9 engines were so good though, they rarely went wrong. I even liked the 2.1 lump back in the day.

 

Yeah HDI engines raised the bar for output and economy , and quite refined with low noise compared to others of the day.
My son has just moved his rather robust 1.4 hdi 207 on .

 

Further to my post above, this is information that I gleaned from the Citroen forum.

Service Action
Check of the noise coming from the camshaft drive chain.
Identification of the type of camshaft drive chain fitted to the internal combustion engine.
Replacement of the camshaft drive chain with an 8 mm chain (Modernisation of the internal combustion engine ).
Engine management ECU downloading (if necessary).

Parts required
1Camshaft kit (Part No. 16 381 598 80).
1 Camshaft pulley bolt (Part No. 0806 49).
1 Crankshaft pulley bolt (Part No. 0516 A3).
1 Camshaft seal (Part No. 98 239 200 80).
1 Seal (Part No. 3111 27).
1 Timing belt kit with coolant pump (Part No. 16 289 261 80).
1 Injection pump outlet pipe (Part No. 98 162 963 80).
1 Cylinder 1 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 373 80).
1 Cylinder 1 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 375 80).
1 Cylinder 1 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 117 376 80).
1 Cylinder 1 injector supply pipe (Part No. 98 256 155 80).
4 Injector seals (Part No. 98 042 205 80).
4 Clamp fixing bolts (Part No. 98 089 827 80).
1 Set of oil separator seals (Part No. 16 381 593 80).
1 Set of vacuum pump seals (Part No. 4556 24).
4 Injector well seals (Part No. 98 173 808 80).
1 Air union seal (Part No. 98 137 583 80).
1 Diesel injector return pipe (Part No. 98 247 231 80).
1 Oil filter (Part No. 16 806 824 80).

N.B. : To optimise logistics, the parts kit available contains the camshafts, the camshaft carrier, the chain, the tensioner and an information label to be affixed in the engine compartment

Check

The engine coolant temperature must be higher than 80 °C.
Engine running at idle.
Check if there is a knocking noise in the upper area of the cylinder head on the timing belt side.
If there is a noise: Continue the check.


Identify the type of camshaft drive chain fitted to the internal combustion engine.
Locate and note the part number engraved on the camshaft carrier (1) (at "a") using a mirror .
If the part number is 9812647280: The internal combustion engine is fitted with a 7 mm camshaft drive chain: Carry out repair .
If the part number is 9830580480: The internal combustion engine is fitted with a 8 mm camshaft drive chain: The internal combustion engine has been modernised: Do not apply this document; Carry out in-depth fault finding.
N.B. : If the camshaft drive chain is noisy and the internal combustion engine is fitted with an 8 mm camshaft drive chain, send a dealer issue detection incident (DID I)

Repair

Remove the camshaft carrier (1).
Additional parts which must always be replaced: None.

In addition, carrying out this repair requires the following operations to be carried out:
Observe the safety and cleanliness recommendations
Use the products recommended by the manufacturer
Perform the operations that are required prior to a disconnection of the ancillaries battery
Remove the under-engine protector
Remove the scuttle panel
Remove the air filter housing
Remove the windscreen wiper arms
Remove the timing belt
Remove the air mixer unit
Remove the vacuum pump
Remove the camshaft position sensor
Remove the 4 Diesel injectors
Remove the fuel high pressure common rail
Respect the safety and cleanliness recommendations that are specific to high pressure Diesel injection (HDi) engines
Modernise the internal combustion engine by replacing the camshaft drive chain with an 8 mm chain.
Replace the following components :
The camshaft chain
The hydraulic tensioner
The exhaust camshaft
The inlet camshaft
The camshaft carrier
The coolant pump
The timing belt kit
Fit the new camshaft carrier (1).
Additional parts which must always be replaced :
4 Diesel injector seal
1 Camshaft pulley bolt
In addition, carrying out this repair requires the following operations to be carried out :
Observe the tightening torques
Apply a bead of sealing paste of about 1,5 - 2,5 mm diameter around the seal face ( Index "E10" )
Refit the fuel high pressure common rail
Refit the 4 Diesel injectors
Refit the camshaft position sensor
Refit the vacuum pump
Refit the air metering unit
Refit the timing belt
Refit the air filter housing
Refit the under-engine protector
Perform the operations that are required following a reconnection of the ancillaries battery
Bleed and top up the level of the cooling circuit.

N.B.: A label supplied with the camshaft kit must be affixed in the engine compartment; this label indicates that the engine has been modernised and the mileage of the next timing belt replacement (in 180 000 km or 120 000 miles or 10 years)

 

And now yet another Stellantis recall,this is in addition to the don't drive notices issued because of faulty airbags

Fire risk prompts 72,000-car Stellantis UK recall | Auto Express

28 models across Alfa Romeo, Citroen, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lanica, Peugeot and Vauxhall are impacted by the recall

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

The dealers will be overwhelmed with these recalls and nothing will get done. It would be far easier just to buy our vehicles off us all and give us enough money, with some compensation for the inconvenience, to buy something else although it would seem that most, if not all, vehicles these days are a pile of crap one way or another. And yeah I know that wont happen, this country does not have "lemon laws."

 

Such great cars 🤦‍♀️

 

Says it all for me about Stellantis 💩 💩 💩 💩
Urgent 'stop-drive' recall affecting 120,000 UK car owners is 'chaotic'

 

Stellantis are pretty crap, they have totally ruined what were once ok cars. Anything under their ownership has taken on a whole new level of ****.

 

Agreed. I think we are in a society now where profits come before quality. Hopefully with the cost of all of these recalls it will make manufacturers think twice before producing sub standard quality vehicles. But I doubt they will.

 

With all the recalls on these diesels, plus the Citroen air bag recalls (and I daresay other makes will also be included), Stellantis won't be making much profit in the near future!

 

If this doesn’t make them stand up and listen I doubt anything will.

 

I finally got to my local Citroen dealer and put the question. They are aware of the recall for both the diesel engine and the petrol engine. But they say they wont be doing anything until the recall goes up on the DVLA website.????

 

I had my combo in today for the recall,Vauxhall that is,when i collected it an hr ago they gave me a print out to say they had visually inspected the chain and it already has a 8 mm chain fitted but do you know what i wouldnt trust the main dealers as far as i could throw them,gave the car a health check and said it required a nearside front wiper blade,they could fit one tomorrow for 76 pounds,i think a bit of skullduggery went on,i drove 3 days ago through a torrential shower and all was fine.

 

Did you see my post earlier in this thread? There should be a label attached to the head identifying a new chain engine. I admit that that post is referring to a Citroen engine but I would have thought that it would apply to all engines subject to the Stellantis recall. There is another way but I cannot find that at the moment. There is a bulge on the top of the chain cover which isn't there on a non converted engine. If I find that info I will post it.

 

Thank you,i will check for that later.

 

As promised picture of bump on camshaft cover after 8mm chain fitted. Old and new pics.