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Think of what you could do with all the extra time you have if you don’t have to ever visit a service station every week and can just charge your car up at home overnight when you’re asleep. Unless you make regular 300 mile+ journeys how frequently would you need to visit a service station?
Alex, I have enough to do without having extra time.... don’t let the Mrs hear you mentioning extra time ?
 

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Just a few points to take into account.
1/ life expectancy is now beginning to fall in this country.
2 / just because we burnt coal & oil to get rich doesn’t make it right for others to do the same.
3/ If we keep looking for an excuse then we’ll never alter our living patterns & descend into a much less nicer world for all humans.
You’ve only got to see the amount of people wearing smog face masks to know things should & can better , cleaner fresher air for all.
1 I think a fair comparison would be to see the difference between now and before the industrial revolution. Fossil fuels have been a wonderful part in helping mankind achieve all sorts.

2 Thats a little unfair to tell others we got rich like this but you are not allowed to. . .

3 We should differentiate between environmental conservation and climate change. The wise thing would be to try and cut down pollution and conserve the environment but the unwise thing would be to destroy our economy in the name of climate change when there isnt proof that man can control. Plus what if it turns out the climate is changing mainly due to things out of our control like the sun? Wouldnt help people who threw away hospitals and roads in the name of climate change if it turns out we could have just adapted like our forefathers did.

Here is a trick question, if climate change was taken seriously why would banks, who only care about profit give out 20 - 40 year mortgages?
 

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Alex, I have enough to do without having extra time.... don’t let the Mrs hear you mentioning extra time ?
Also what about emergency trips? I have had to drive from Aberdeen to Tunbridge wells for an emergency before and the last thing we would need is to worry about topping up electricity . . .
 

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1 I think a fair comparison would be to see the difference between now and before the industrial revolution. Fossil fuels have been a wonderful part in helping mankind achieve all sorts.

2 Thats a little unfair to tell others we got rich like this but you are not allowed to. . .

3 We should differentiate between environmental conservation and climate change. The wise thing would be to try and cut down pollution and conserve the environment but the unwise thing would be to destroy our economy in the name of climate change when there isnt proof that man can control. Plus what if it turns out the climate is changing mainly due to things out of our control like the sun? Wouldnt help people who threw away hospitals and roads in the name of climate change if it turns out we could have just adapted like our forefathers did.

Here is a trick question, if climate change was taken seriously why would banks, who only care about profit give out 20 - 40 year mortgages?
Green Peace protesters have been going around our area ( Nuneaton / Coventry / Hinckley ) supergluing the banks doors shut , many were closed yesterday awaiting a specialist team to unlock.
 

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Also what about emergency trips? I have had to drive from Aberdeen to Tunbridge wells for an emergency before and the last thing we would need is to worry about topping up electricity . . .
Well, that's quite an extreme example to consider the implications of a 600 mile trip but I agree, it isn't something that is directly possible in one go in any existing EV, where its very possible at the moment in a number of diesel/petrol cars. At the moment you're going to be hoping for no traffic and you can get it done in what, 10 hours, in an existing EV at the moment its going to be 10 hours plus the time to stop and fully recharge the battery, so that's 11 hours. plus any traffic.

I'd be looking to get on an easyJet to Gatwick myself if it was that much of an emergency but don't tell Greta I'm using an aeroplane!
 

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Also what about emergency trips? I have had to drive from Aberdeen to Tunbridge wells for an emergency before and the last thing we would need is to worry about topping up electricity . . .
you could get the train and spend less time than it takes to drive
 

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you could get the train and spend less time than it takes to drive
Not to get too personal but a loved one was admitted to hospital and I got the call in the evening, it was literally drop everything and run.

Dont get me wrong I am glad they are trying to find alternatives but EV is no where near ready to replace the combustion engine. I fear Boris forcing this will end in misery.
 

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Green Peace protesters have been going around our area ( Nuneaton / Coventry / Hinckley ) supergluing the banks doors shut , many were closed yesterday awaiting a specialist team to unlock.
Funny enough most glue products are made from hydro carbons, a.k.a the same fossil fuels they are trying to ban. . . . :cautious::rolleyes:
 

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Not to get too personal but a loved one was admitted to hospital and I got the call in the evening, it was literally drop everything and run.

Dont get me wrong I am glad they are trying to find alternatives but EV is no where near ready to replace the combustion engine. I fear Boris forcing this will end in misery.
I completely understand - that's the nature of emergencies, they happen at inconvenient times and you made the decision that best suits your needs - you may or may not have made the best logical decision but in such times logic doesn't always play the same part as it would in a forward-planning scenario.

All I would say, is that there are probably countless people who have been faced with a similar emergency situation, but who don't have a driving licence/their car was in the garage/they have noone to look after the kids, but adapt and find an alternative solution based on their own experience and ability etc.

But we won't be seeing the back of the combustion engine just yet, but apparently it will be when I'm 50 I won't be able to buy a new one
 

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I like to think I'm doing my bit for the environment with the last two cars I've bought.......

By that I mean I've bought them (second hand) and owned and used them for 8.5 years for the Vectra and currently almost 6 with the Mondeo and no plans to replace just yet. ;)

The PCP/lease business model that most people use when buying brand new cars now does nothing for the environment, regardless of whether they're electric, hybrid, petrol or diesel if you bin it off and get another one after three years. But nobody seems to care about that.

One word...... Money.
 

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I suppose the easiest way and probably the fastest way to get everyone using EV’s without all the hassle of charging points would be to stick a giant pole at the back of all EV’s, and cover the country in a giant metal matrix just like the dodgem cars....??
I'm making you minister for transport lol
 
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I like to think I'm doing my bit for the environment with the last two cars I've bought.......

By that I mean I've bought them (second hand) and owned and used them for 8.5 years for the Vectra and currently almost 6 with the Mondeo and no plans to replace just yet. ;)

The PCP/lease business model that most people use when buying brand new cars now does nothing for the environment, regardless of whether they're electric, hybrid, petrol or diesel if you bin it off and get another one after three years. But nobody seems to care about that.

One word...... Money.
I'm doing my bit too, cleaning, re-oiling and reusing the BMC panel air filter that was fitted from new to the wife's little Abarth 500/595, which I didn't know was there until recently checking the airbox. It's been in from new for 4 years. Now looking a bit dirty.
The way it's going it could be our most reliable car up to date. I wasn't expecting that when we bought it. Although it does have a 4 cylinder engine, which helps. Shockers not included, as it wasn't classed as a breakdown:ROFLMAO:
As you've said it's got to be better to run cars for longer, then renew them through natural wastedge.
 

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I'm doing my bit too, cleaning, re-oiling and reusing the BMC panel air filter that was fitted from new to the wife's little Abarth 500/595, which I didn't know was there until recently checking the airbox. It's been in from new for 4 years. Now looking a bit dirty.
The way it's going it could be our most reliable car up to date. I wasn't expecting that when we bought it. Although it does have a 4 cylinder engine, which helps. Shockers not included, as it wasn't classed as a breakdown:ROFLMAO:
As you've said it's got to be better to run cars for longer, then renew them through natural wastedge.
What’s the betting though that the government of the day will bring in a scrappage scheme , trade in your old fashioned technology vehicle for a new clean air up to date model & get £5000 off your new EV , all to quicken up our move into the new age.
Last evening a BMW EV plugged into the charge point at Cawley services on the M6 , the owner got his book & settled down for a long read lol ?
 
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Has i suspected we’re going into line with Europe on the cleaner fuel front in a attempt to reduce our C02 emissions.
Due to the slow progress at the moment on the EV front , petrol engines vehicles will now be filling up at fuel stations with E10 grade petrol as Europe does at present.
At the moment we use E5 which is only 5% Ethanol , E10 will be 10% .
The government say this is just a stop gap measure to have some reductions now in harmful C02 emissions until we transition into our EV’s.
 
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I suppose the easiest way and probably the fastest way to get everyone using EV’s without all the hassle of charging points would be to stick a giant pole at the back of all EV’s, and cover the country in a giant metal matrix just like the dodgem cars....??
and everyone has to buy tokens from the tax man to keep driving. LOL :LOL::ROFLMAO: But hang on :confused: this lot might actually do that. . .
 

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Actually another thing to take into account if we all go ev the state can control you a lot easier.

There is a chap called rich rebuilds who saved a flooded tesla and tesla refused to sell him parts. When it came to charging he initially got remotely locked out of superfast charging.

Imagine we where all in ev cars and "the man" decided to punish you by remotely preventing your car from being charged. My understanding with Tesla is that they can remotely update your car when its within a wifi zone. . .

Or even worse computer gets it wrong and you are banned from your own car. . .

No, too much can go wrong with EV cars in my opinion. . .
 

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Actually another thing to take into account if we all go ev the state can control you a lot easier.

There is a chap called rich rebuilds who saved a flooded tesla and tesla refused to sell him parts. When it came to charging he initially got remotely locked out of superfast charging.

Imagine we where all in ev cars and "the man" decided to punish you by remotely preventing your car from being charged. My understanding with Tesla is that they can remotely update your car when its within a wifi zone. . .

Or even worse computer gets it wrong and you are banned from your own car. . .

No, too much can go wrong with EV cars in my opinion. . .
It won’t be the manufacturers it will be your electricity supplier , if you don’t play ball & help save electricity in your home when requested your supplier will put you on “Slow Trickle charge “
And that is going to happen.
 
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What’s the betting though that the government of the day will bring in a scrappage scheme , trade in your old fashioned technology vehicle for a new clean air up to date model & get £5000 off your new EV , all to quicken up our move into the new age.
Last evening a BMW EV plugged into the charge point at Cawley services on the M6 , the owner got his book & settled down for a long read lol ?
I'm not so sure about the scrappadge scheme though, as it'll cost the gov too much money. They just want to try and dictate to us about what we should or shouldn't do, which usually ends in failure. I'm all in n favour of less state intervention, not more. Leave it to the public to decide, which will happen, anyway.
 

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Hinckley council have announced that this year 12 new electric charging points will be installed across the borough as they look to a clean modern future for all.
On another note an Ampera owner told the news feed that the reason he got rid of the car was not due to charging issues but the rubber sill on the car that constantly got caught on speed humps.
 
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