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Strange, i read it without subscription,it must recognise a better class of reader :p;)

11 hours to Cornwall from London though,what a joke,it takes me back to the 60's,no motorway and stuck for 3 hours on the Exeter bypass,
total journey time 12 hours in a Ford Anglia
 

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Strange, i read it without subscription,it must recognise a better class of reader :p;)

11 hours to Cornwall from London though,what a joke,it takes me back to the 60's,no motorway and stuck for 3 hours on the Exeter bypass,
total journey time 12 hours in a Ford Anglia
The inferstructure will need to improve drastically if electric becomes reality.
Then the fellas driving distance dropping drastically, lack of working charging points. This is all before electric cars have took off.
cant read it, have to subscribe o_O but for the mileage i do, plus car garaged over night, an electric car would benefit me, if i could ever afford one (y)
Weird, works OK for me without subscription.
 

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Opened fine for me.
Then when the Google ads banner covered most of the page followed by the cookie notice I just cloised the page down, can't be doing with any of that nonsence.
 

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The man seems like a bit of a moron (he used the word 'staycation' to mean a holiday in this country). I think that to fully embrace the EV, you need to change your thinking a little from a 5-600 mile range of a modern diesel, to the optimistic 180 mile range of an EV.

He's doing a 300 mile journey and he sets off without a full charge. If he'd set off with an 80 mile range in a 'normal' car, he'd still be a bell end for setting off without enough fuel. He does admit that's a mistake, but is it one he'd make with a petrol/diesel? Unlikely.

As a day-to-day 20-50 miles of commuting and shopping, I think they're a good alternative. The charging point infrastructure needs working on, clearly. I know that in Nottinghamshire, the local authorities are working towards that, but these things are frustratingly slow to develop.
 

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1 thing ive noticed regards charging of an electric vehicle is lets say you are out at a large shopping centre, you park up in a charging spot, you could be in there for 3 or 4 hours, and say it takes 2 hours to fully charge, that means someone elses car cannot charge whilst yours is still parked. That doesnt happen on a forecourt. It really does need a large amount of investment going forward, probably more than we think.
 

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1 thing ive noticed regards charging of an electric vehicle is lets say you are out at a large shopping centre, you park up in a charging spot, you could be in there for 3 or 4 hours, and say it takes 2 hours to fully charge, that means someone elses car cannot charge whilst yours is still parked. That doesnt happen on a forecourt. It really does need a large amount of investment going forward, probably more than we think.
If I had one, I think I'd want one of the bigger capacity charging points at home and I would think that I'd only really use a public charging point on a longer journey (unless they were working out cheaper than using a home one).

Absolutely agree that there should be more.
 

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I read an article which talks about the amount of the earth's resources it's going to take for all these batteries:

Mike Ruff, GW editor, June 7, 2019; UK electric cars will need twice the world’s supply of cobalt
Scientists warn of “huge implications" as government continues electric car push. UK electric cars will need twice the world’s supply of cobalt. A team of scientists has written to the Committee of Climate Change warning that government plans to replace the UK’s 31.5 million cars with electric vehicles by 2050 will require almost twice the current annual global supply of cobalt.

The experts have also calculated that based on the latest battery technology (80 per cent nickel, 10 per cent cobalt, 10 per cent manganese), UK demand for EV batteries will require almost the total amount of neodymium produced globally each year, three quarter’s of the world’s lithium, and “at least half” of the world’s copper.

The letter, authored by a team of eight scientists headed by the Natural History Museum’s head of earth sciences, professor Richard Herrington, explains that to replace the UK’s cars with EVs will require 207,900 tonnes of cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate and “at least” 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, as well as 2,362,500 tonnes of copper.

And that's just for the cars in the UK, globally it must be X times that. I know that people breezily say Don't worry, new battery technology will change all that but that remains to be seen.
 

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Well, a bit different to my trip with the cascada, filled up in Dover then drove through France, Belgium, Holland and then Germany and had to fill up more than 600 miles later near Dresden driving intersting speeds with aircon all the way. Yeah I will stick to diesel, but thanks anyway.
 

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Regarding electric charging points, I think I only know of around 5 within a 10 mile radius from where I live. Two of those were extremely tight, only big enough for small cars. Not that I've actively looked for them for obvious reasons.
Will the electric revolution actually happen?
 

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The problem is the eGolf's range is just not good enough for out of town use. I was amazed at how poor it's range is.
When the real range is at least 300 miles then it will be much more viable to use an Electric car outside town on long trips, until then the most practical is still Petrol/ Diesel.

Also the charging network is very patchy at present.

Probably in around 5 years time Electric cars will be much more usable and the price should drop too.
I'll wait until then!
 

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Besides waiting whilst they charge, you'll have to pay for them to be charged, on top of the cup of coffee. Then would you have a standard or super fast charge? 10, 20 or 30 min charges available from £5 up:rolleyes:
VIP charge includes a big Mac meal.
 

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It’s hard to imagine us all going electric but wether we like it or not that’s where we’re being lead to.
Climate change is big talk , this morning the Amazon rain forests in Brazil came under the worlds gaze with French president Macron saying publicly that , “ Our house is burning “.
Technology disruptor companies such as Uber are heavily invested in autonomous all electric driverless car technology so much so if Uber we’re at the roulette table in the casino all their chips would thrown at black 7.
Car manufacturers are now at the roulette wheel betting on this electric motive power future , my wife’s nephew told me last week that JLR are throwing the kitchen sink at this new power unit with BMW , he tells me even Lotus are desperate to be around this technical revolution , so to be around a firm that could be leading the way on a tie with another big world player gets Lotus very keen to be in the mix.
The workforce up in Norfolk are not keen on moving to JLR’s area but Lotus need to be around & in this environment if their going to get in the vibe.
As JLR said at a meeting recently , “ the combustion engine has reached it’s end “
Shortly afterwards the Diesel engine was dropped from the XJ.
Consumers usually dictate the car makers forward decisions on technical changes but this time it’s enviromentally related with climate change & clean air dictating.
 
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