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Whether we are in or out of Europe we will still trade with them, them with us. Maybe within the short term we may be worse off coming out of Europe, but I don't think so in the longer term.
Yes we will still trade with Europe, but everything we import from Europe will become more expensive as import duties and tariffs will now have to be paid.

Guess who will end up footing the bill? All of us.

My concern is will companies like Nissan for example stay in the UK if there is not a tariff free way into and out of Europe? I very much doubt it.
 

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Yes we will still trade with Europe, but everything we import from Europe will become more expensive as import duties and tariffs will now have to be paid.

Guess who will end up footing the bill? All of us.

My concern is will companies like Nissan for example stay in the UK if there is not a tariff free way into and out of Europe? I very much doubt it.
That being the case, the same would apply to Europe selling cars to us too. Reason why we'll agree a free trade deal between us and Europe, as it would be mutually beneficial. That's if we do leave.
 

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That being the case, the same would apply to Europe selling cars to us too. Reason why we'll agree a free trade deal between us and Europe, as it would be mutually beneficial. That's if we do leave.
It's not guaranteed the EU will grant the UK a free trade deal without other conditions being attached, such as free movement of people.

The UK is a tiny car market compared to the rest of Europe, I'm not so sure the likes of BMW, VW etc are really going to be that bothered.

Where else are we going to buy our cars from if the manufactures pull production out of the UK?

The extra cost would be passed on to us.
 

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Less than two weeks to wait now & we'll all know:ROFLMAO:
I think my views are closer to "blue labour", than Corbyns labour, even though I reluctantly voted for Cobyns Labour this time round. You could say a marginal view point from within the labour party.
I see blue labour say we must respect the referendum of 2016 & leave the EU.
I wouldn’t trust the polls too much as we know they can get it wrong.
This is a vicious election campaign by all parties .
Times may be changing with a more obvious left wing Labour Party than when they’ve won power in the past.
We can’t be naive the brexit factor is still a big issue in this election & on the night they may well be some surprising results in certain parts of the country because of it.
 

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It's not guaranteed the EU will grant the UK a free trade deal without other conditions being attached, such as free movement of people.

The UK is a tiny car market compared to the rest of Europe, I'm not so sure the likes of BMW, VW etc are really going to be that bothered.

Where else are we going to buy our cars from if the manufactures pull production out of the UK?

The extra cost would be passed on to us.
In 2016 Germany exported 800,000 new cars to us, or 20% of their global exports. So I would imagine that would be important to them too.
Hyundai now have a big foot hold within the U.K, they're made in South Korea.
Europe sell more to us, than us to them. So they have more to lose. So it would also be within their best interest to have a free trade agreement.
They're still our biggest neighbour, so trade will go on, whether we are in Europe or not.
 

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I see blue labour say we must respect the referendum of 2016 & leave the EU.
I wouldn’t trust the polls too much as we know they can get it wrong.
This is a vicious election campaign by all parties .
Times may be changing with a more obvious left wing Labour Party than when they’ve won power in the past.
We can’t be naive the brexit factor is still a big issue in this election & on the night they may well be some surprising results in certain parts of the country because of it.
"Blue Labour", are only a minority group within the labour government though, whom may hold some influence, probably not as much as "Momentum", though & the trade unions.
 

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As far as Scotland goes I'm happy for them to make their own minds up about the too. Just because the SNP want out, does not mean the majority of the Scottish people want out too. If they do, I'm happy for them to do so, but as long as they take up a different currency, not the pound. As I can't see how that would work.
I listened to Tommy Sheppard, SNP MP on Newsnight the other night. There’s major issues where I don’t agree with him, he’s strongly pro-independence, he’s a republican (“Off with their heads” remark about William and Kate) and an atheist but I’ve heard him speaking in Parliament a few times and agree with him on some aspects of social reform. He was asked about what currency an independent Scotland would use and also why would Scotland want to set up customs borders with the rest of the UK when Scotland’s trade with the UK is almost four times that of the EU. I’m afraid he just waffled on but had no answer to either question, I expected better from him.
 

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Couple of things of concern with Labour that I've heard this week......

The first comes from Andrew Neil's interview with JC and it's the "A pensioner earning £14,000 a year could be paying £400 a year in tax instead of the current £9".

Now from what I understand this does look like a very specific set of circumstances - earning state pension, plus a modest £4000pa from a private pension and then an extra £2000 in dividends - and more than likely given that it's the BBC, it's such a rare unlikely occurence, but I've tried to find more details about it but can't.....

Second is reducing rail fairs by a third for commuters that I heard this morning on the news. Not looked further into this yet, and although this sounds great, and apparently would be funded by £1.something billion of vehicle related tax - but I'm guessing this would be to the detriment of roads, meaning there would be less money available to repair current roads etc.

All well and good for people living in large towns and cities, even I might benefit from this now because I could take a 20min train journey from my town to where I work (albeit with a bus ride or short drive then walk to the station (just walking would take well over 30 mins so not practical in the pissing rain!)). Always said I'd do that IF or WHEN it became cost effective to do so.....

But people in rural areas cannot do this and rely on roads. I used to be one of those people before I moved back to Salisbury and always thought it was completely unfair the way nobody cared about people whose ONLY real form of transport is their own private vehicle.
 

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I listened to Tommy Sheppard, SNP MP on Newsnight the other night. There’s major issues where I don’t agree with him, he’s strongly pro-independence, he’s a republican (“Off with their heads” remark about William and Kate) and an atheist but I’ve heard him speaking in Parliament a few times and agree with him on some aspects of social reform. He was asked about what currency an independent Scotland would use and also why would Scotland want to set up customs borders with the rest of the UK when Scotland’s trade with the UK is almost four times that of the EU. I’m afraid he just waffled on but had no answer to either question, I expected better from him.
They all promise the earth & deliver little of what they said.
I saw this morning labour were giving a 1/3rd off rail fares , discounting for the masses to get their votes.
Somebody is going to be paying a lot more in taxes no doubt , probably the motorist.
 

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They all promise the earth & deliver little of what they said.
I saw this morning labour were giving a 1/3rd off rail fares , discounting for the masses to get their votes.
Somebody is going to be paying a lot more in taxes no doubt , probably the motorist.
Think we posted about the same time, but see my post above. The money will come from (i think) £1.8billion of vehicle related tax.

So it's costed - but possibly to the detriment of road repairs etc?

Not that the current Government actually spend all vehicle related tax on road repairs at the moment, or are ever likely to either......
 

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Think we posted about the same time, but see my post above. The money will come from (i think) £1.8billion of vehicle related tax.

So it's costed - but possibly to the detriment of road repairs etc?

Not that the current Government actually spend all vehicle related tax on road repairs at the moment, or are ever likely to either......
We of a certain age know it as Road Tax and it was supposed to be used for the upkeep and repair of the Nations roads, but they then decided cars/vehicles were causing Environmental damage so it became a Vehicle Licensing Tax going from the size of engine, but then changed it to Emissions so no longer used to repair roads but to fix Environmental Issues.
 

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I see Boris is trying to blame the Labour party for the stabbings over the weekend, because 11 years ago they past a law to allow prisoners to be released on License early, well so for the past 9 years they couldn't change the law, when he was being interviewed about these comments the interviewer saying well you've been in power for 9 years, he comes out with no its only been 90 days as Prime Minister so hes been a MP for the Conservative party since 2001, he was Foreign minster so what was he doing then just having holidays and the Tax payers expense visiting country's claiming to be Trade missions.
 

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I see Boris is trying to blame the Labour party for the stabbings over the weekend, because 11 years ago they past a law to allow prisoners to be released on License early, well so for the past 9 years they couldn't change the law, when he was being interviewed about these comments the interviewer saying well you've been in power for 9 years, he comes out with no its only been 90 days as Prime Minister so hes been a MP for the Conservative party since 2001, he was Foreign minster so what was he doing then just having holidays and the Tax payers expense visiting country's claiming to be Trade missions.
That kind of thing really hacks me off.

Something happens, immediately blame the opposition and harp on about what other people haven't done.
 

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What happened in London was awful, and could have been an awful lot worse if Usman Khan was wearing a real suicide vest.

From What I've read, there was a policy in place (by the then Labour Government), that gave people like Usman Khan an IPP (sentence of Imprisonment for Public Protection) that meant that any prisoner given that sentence would NOT be automatically released even after serving half of their sentence, unless a Parole Board agreed it.

This was abolished by David Cameron's government in 2012, and he was released without a parole board hearing in 2018.

So, actually, it's the CONSERVATIVE government at fault here - because he was just released on licence without a hearing.

But instead of each side blaming each other trying to score points to win the election, why not say "OK, we've (as in parliament) really f***ed up here, let's all decide how we can make sure a situation like this never happens again"........
 

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What happened in London was awful, and could have been an awful lot worse if Usman Khan was wearing a real suicide vest.

From What I've read, there was a policy in place (by the then Labour Government), that gave people like Usman Khan an IPP (sentence of Imprisonment for Public Protection) that meant that any prisoner given that sentence would NOT be automatically released even after serving half of their sentence, unless a Parole Board agreed it.

This was abolished by David Cameron's government in 2012, and he was released without a parole board hearing in 2018.

So, actually, it's the CONSERVATIVE government at fault here - because he was just released on licence without a hearing.

But instead of each side blaming each other trying to score points to win the election, why not say "OK, we've (as in parliament) really f***ed up here, let's all decide how we can make sure a situation like this never happens again"........
That would be common sense Steve & party’s in parliament don’t use that.
I’ve just been looking on Facebook & all the parties are trying to dirty each other up , one post states the real reason jo swinson & her merry band want to stay in Europe ( vested interest of some sort financial i’d wager )
Another post says why Hindus & Jews should avoid voting labour in to power.
Etc etc.
So easy to get your head fogged up as the party’s use social media to discredit each other plans.
 

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What makes me cross is that no party has made a pledge to sort out the long term housing problem in this country ( affordable housing )
The Lib Dem’s only focus on staying in Europe.
The Tory’s did promise 200,000 affordable homes but never followed through.
Labour the party of socialism or social care have thrown everything but the kitchen sink in a desperate bid to win power but have failed to take a sensible decision that would appeal to voters which is build around 90,000 affordable homes every year for many years to come.
 

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What makes me cross is that no party has made a pledge to sort out the long term housing problem in this country ( affordable housing )
The Lib Dem’s only focus on staying in Europe.
The Tory’s did promise 200,000 affordable homes but never followed through.
Labour the party of socialism or social care have thrown everything but the kitchen sink in a desperate bid to win power but have failed to take a sensible decision that would appeal to voters which is build around 90,000 affordable homes every year for many years to come.
I don't think the Tories built any council homes did they? Neither do I think Labour have committed to build enough future ones either.
 

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I don't think the Tories built any council homes did they? Neither do I think Labour have committed to build enough future ones either.
Yes that’s right the Tories built none.
In a small area like Hinckley there’s 90 families on the waiting list for a property.
Up & down the Country housing is desperately needed so councils can home people.
Private rented property has its merits but also its downside in the fact that they use the property has an investment for retirement so are looking at not only clearing the mortgage off at some point but also making a profit , this makes the rental prices very high especially for those on benefits.
In Hinckley a 2 bed town house will set you back £625 per calendar month & then there’s the other bills , council tax , utilities etc .
A 3 bedroom modest semi detached will fetch £750 per calendar month.
Whereas a council house will come in at £300/£450 a month.
 

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Yes that’s right the Tories built none.
In a small area like Hinckley there’s 90 families on the waiting list for a property.
Up & down the Country housing is desperately needed so councils can home people.
Private rented property has its merits but also its downside in the fact that they use the property has an investment for retirement so are looking at not only clearing the mortgage off at some point but also making a profit , this makes the rental prices very high especially for those on benefits.
In Hinckley a 2 bed town house will set you back £625 per calendar month & then there’s the other bills , council tax , utilities etc .
A 3 bedroom modest semi detached will fetch £750 per calendar month.
Whereas a council house will come in at £300/£450 a month.
Jeez that's cheap!

A small two bed mid terrace house (private rent) in Salisbury will cost around £800pcm at the very least!!

We were paying £1200pcm rent for our four bed mid-teraced Edwardian era house - and that's only because we started renting it 5 years ago - if we were looking now, it would probably be nearer £1400!!

Fortunately we saved like crazy and bought our own newbuild a year ago now (albeit only part buy/part rent - but it's better than just renting for now at least and we can buy the rest as and when we can afford it) so we're no longer wasting such a huge amount of money each month and have the security of knowing it's our house as long as we want it.

Anyway, back to council houses - We wouldn't be in this mess if Thatcher hadn't set up the "right to buy" and then not used the money gained from selling the old council houses to buy new ones to replace them, thus reducing all council housing stock.....

If at the very least they had built one more council house for every one bought under Right To Buy, then we'd have much less of a problem now.

Right to buy has never sat well with me if I'm honest. Why should someone who has been renting on the cheap be allowed to buy at a discount when someone like me can't get that opportunity because I'd never, ever get offered a council/housing association property?? How is that fair?

Anyway, rant over.....

Going back to parties and their social housing plans - I think Labour has said in their manifesto that they plan to build 100,000 council homes per year by the end of their first term in office and also 50,000 housing association houses too.

EDITED TO ADD - a cynic could say the reason Maggie wanted all council tenants to buy their own home and have mortgages was so that they HAD to work, and couldn't go on strike if their union told them to, because they'd lose their house if they failed to pay their mortgage....... :cautious::unsure:
 
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