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My Vectra overheated yesterday (I had not noticed until it cut out). There was a shhh shhh noise when accelerating for about 1 mile before this. I was following another car we had just ironically collected from the garage and I thought it was coming from that car but turns out it was mine. It refused to start after cutting out. Coolant at usual level, fan was going full tilt, smelt hot under bonnet. After letting it cool, it turns over but will not catch/go. I have had a problem for a year or so with a starting fault, which we thought was fuel pump related as happened more when less than half a tank but depending on how long car driven and how long left in between. I wonder if that is related and not fuel at all? Green Flag guy just scratched his head (pretty useless really) so it is booked in with VX on Tues as my usual garage is chocka until later in the month, none of the little garages will touch it. Query is - could I have knackered the engine? The recover guy kept trying to start it which is a little annoying too.... it was never gonna start. I had a full service in Jan. New clutch last June. New fuel filter, new glow plugs. New cam shaft sensor. Any thoughts? Thanks.
 

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These engines are not easy to cook. The water pumps can seize causing overheating issues but due to the way they are ran off the timing belt, it usually snapps before any real overheating problems occur. I suspect your shhh shhh noise was the timing belt rubbing on the water pump before the belt finally gave way.

I'd take the top timing cover off (easily done) and have a look
 

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These engines are not easy to cook. The water pumps can seize causing overheating issues but due to the way they are ran off the timing belt, it usually snapps before any real overheating problems occur. I suspect your shhh shhh noise was the timing belt rubbing on the water pump before the belt finally gave way.

I'd take the top timing cover off (easily done) and have a look
Fully agree pump has seized & belt as kept going until it eventually breaks up .
 

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Thanks all, the oil and coolant clean, not sure it is the head G (hopefully not!). If I had not been following the 25 year old car home from the garage just assuming it was it with the problem I would have spotted my temp gauge. Lesson learnt!
 

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I don't think it's cooked but that's always a possibility. Need to check the belt and if it's snapped a new one and water pump will be needed along with a set of rocker arms. Luckily when the belts go on these there's no major engine damage
 

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How many hours labour for a job like this (if it is the seized pump and belt)? Thanks M32 :) much appreciated.
 

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Well finally after having to move my car from one garage to another due to being let down (back to VX) VX say they have fitted a new water pump and timing belt but we think there could be issues with your engine!!! Three hours quote to strip - so I said ok. Now they say engine knackered! I said well why did you fit the pump and belt first - they say they had to do that to get into the engine..... come on is this right? So I am currently looking at a £1,000 bill for a car that could be knackered because they won't fit a reconditioned engine but they will fit a brand new one (although they have never had to price one before!). Please advise here I am pretty irked to pay for the belt and pump. I can't believe I could be stuck with a £1k bill for a car that may be fit for the scrap heap? Gutted :(
 

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Life can be a ***** sometimes...i suppose they fitted the belt to see if it would run etc....sometimes you just have to do something, they could have done a cylinder leakage test first, that might have helped.....as far as paying the bill, well did you give them permission to fit the pump and belt, if so i supposed you have to pay the bill...all a bit of grey area...Fred.
 

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Well I didn't. I dropped it off and said the timing belt has apparently come off and the pump seized. Next I got a call saying "we've put a new timing belt and pump on but the mechanic thinks there is some engine damage so three hours to strip down can we do that?" I said yes please strip to see how engine is.... here I am !!
 

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Yes its a bad area having a load of work done and not curing the problem....trouble is they have to pay there mechanics no one works for nothing....but i understand, i took a radio into a shop once to be repaired.... that was about 30 years ago, he said we haven't cured it but my engineer spent about 3 hours on it, so he charged me £50 and it was no better, that was a lot of money in those days, i never went back there lol....if you have no legal leg to stand on you have to bight the bullet unfortunately...i think the only thing you can do is go back and have a moan at them, you never know your luck...from Fred.
 

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How do you feel about scrapyard engines...could go that way....any chance you could get yours reconditioned or exchange one...Fred.
 

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How could I get mine reconditioned? Would that not be prohibitively expensive as they say? I would if I could. The guy is printing me a list of the faults but they do not think worth getting fixed....
 

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It's probably not, think you might have to do some arithmetic, see how much the vehicle is worth against t how much it would cost to supply and fit another engine...i cant suggest anywhere i a have been retired about 10 years so bit out of the picture...but might be worth looking on line and making some phone calls, or ask a few garages how much it would cost to supply and fit another unit....Fred.
 

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Will do thanks for your responses. I am trying to get engine report off VX to send to potential garage who can fit another engine, to make sure it is needed.

Response always appreciated. Many thanks, Laura.
 
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