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[Astra Mk5/H] [04-09] astra H 1.7cdti seized after overheat

Discussion in 'Astra, Corsa, Zafira, Meriva, Adam, Agila, Tigra & Nova [Includes AstraVan & ComboVan] owners forum' started by gatch, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. gatch

    gatch Member

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    Hi all, i am a newbie here but have been reading through your forum for sometime now and thought it was about time i became part of your community.

    Here goes,
    On Sunday I was driving along the motorway and all of a sudden without any warning the engine cut out on me as if it had stalled.
    I made my way onto the hard shoulder and the dash looked just as if it had stalled, no warning lights or anything on it so my initial reaction was to try to start it again, but nothing, then 5 minutes later as if by magic the temperature light cam on (a bit late dont you think) so i popped the bonnet and spotted immediately that i had a split hose and no water in the tank. nothing i could do at the side of the motorway so i rang greenflag up and they came out about 40 minutes later.
    When i told the guy what had happened he said "it's just overheated, we'll get you home and you can just replace the hose tomorrow, it should have cooled down by now so just drive it up onto my truck."
    so I tried to start it again with the same response as last time, not even a turn of the engine. The recovery guy said "hopefully it's just that your battery is dead from having your hazards on for so long".
    Up he winched me and took the car home....

    I took the battery off and charged overnight to see if he was right but the same result in the morning. looking through the oil cap i can see that there is a little bit of movement so not completely seized but the cam looks to be moving backwards, the glow plugs have been removed to see if any water had got in there and hydro locked the engine but nothing in there but the plugs were a little oxidised on the ends.

    That's how far i have got so far, i was told by one guy that the head could be warped and that replacing the head would probably fix it, but the only heads on fleabay are z17dtl and this is a z17dth, another guy at vaux told me that these engines die all of the time because of failed hoses and that it is probably the bottom end where the damage is done so a new engine would be needed at a cost of £2500 + VAT + £1400 labour, the car is probably worth 5k at a push so i can't bring myself to spend that sort of cash on it, i have a possible recon engine at a cost of £1580 with 6 month warranty or £1880 fitted.

    Any advice from you guys who seem to be in the know would be really appreciated, the missus is chewing my ear off because i am using her car until mine is put right.

    Do I fix it up or cut my losses?

    TIA
    G
  2. dude.jones

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    have you tried turning the crankshaft by hand?
  3. HMK

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    I've got to admit that if it's got so hot that it's caused the engine to lock up like that, then on a modern engine it just isn't worth trying to repair it. I'm sorry to say that it's a new engine job.
  4. bungle666

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    agreed, its also worth pointing out that the "temp" light wouldnt have come on at all as they need water to work!! you should have noticed that the temp guage had dropped off to cold, this is an indicator that there is no water in the system.

    if the hose blew, and you didnt notice then you could have covered 10 miles or more, with no coolant before it "stalled" (seized) thus destroying your engine in the process!!

    sorry to be harsh. but thats the way crumble cookies..

    B..
  5. Jimbo Jet Set

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    Im pretty sure that the Astra H dont have an engine temp gauge so he probably would not have noticed it as its not there.
  6. gatch

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    Yeah your right there is no temp gauge, that's why i'm so flamin angry, one minute i have a nice car bobbing along from a day trip to wales, next minute i'm down an engine, with no warning whatsoever!
    I have tried turning by hand too but no it will not move more than a couple of mm.

    Thanks for your replies, i am still not sure what to do yet, looking at the recon engine for 1800 or whatever it was fitted i'm down nearly 2k for a hose failure, all because vauxhall don't put temp gauges in any more.
    :(
  7. gatch

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    update:
    I took the car to have the engine reconditioned, it was only then that the extent of the damage was clear, 2 pistone were melted, the turbo had seized too because of the aluminium from the pistons going into it (or so i am told), even the fly wheel had play in it so all in all it is £3050.00 for cash. should be getting it back tomorrow if all is well. The mechanic said that it's running like new now but he's a little unhappy with the amount of pressure in the water system so some debugging to do in the morning.

    One more thing you guys could maybe help me out with, is there a simple way to fit an aftermarket temp gauge to these astras? i would not want this to happen to me again. if so where do i get the gauge and is it easy enought for me to do or would i be best getting it done by a professional?

    Cheers
    once again
  8. dannyhull

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    u can find out the temp if you still have original radio in car.... hold down settings button untill you hear a beep, then keep pressing the BC button and you will eventually come to a screen on the display which says T 24 (ive just put 24 as a random temp) but that screen shows the coolant temp
  9. solorider

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    you could install one of these,it plugs into the obd port and does a lot of other things as well http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ScanGauge2-Sc...c_Tools_Equipment?hash=item4aa023f83c&afsrc=1 plus you dont have to reort to cutting holes in the car,the unit could be stuck in place with sticky pads

    as to the Z17DTH they are actualy a very robust engine and engine faliure is actualy very rare,i would have not bought one otherwise,as to getting used one but it is a bit too late now but there are some on ebay at the moment
  10. gatch

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    Cheers for the info an the gauge, it says in the listing that it just plugs into a 4pin [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]OBDII port, can you tell me where this is on my car and then i can see about where i would feed the wire and mount the gauge before buying it.
    As for the second hand engine, i could not find a single one when i needed one, and now there is one in bolton just down the road for £599, the cost of repairing mine is going up each day, i was told today that the injector sleeves need replacing at a further cost of £160, i was originally quoted £2800, then was told that the fly wheel is another £280 and now another £160, it seems everytime i get a phone call i lose another weeks wage. :shake
    Cheers once again for your reply.
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